So, with Captain America: The Winter Soldier fast approaching and the interviews are hinting something I’ve long-ago suspected: Natasha probably isn’t secretly 80 in the MCU. Enter the fandom flip out.
It doesn’t bother me, though, because the notion of Natasha’s agelessness is such a recent edition to her canon, both necessitated and enabled by the weirdness of comics. Comic book time is an unpinnable thing. And the Grayson/Rucka plotlines, some of my favorite Black Widow stories, were written before Natasha became immortal. Most of her 50 year history was written before Natasha became immortal. So I know her stories can survive without it.
Remember, when they made up this immortality retcon, it wasn’t for Natasha’s sake at all. Uncanny X-men #268 introduced the idea, but didn’t explain it, to use Natasha in the background of a Wolverine/Captain America team-up. Wolverine Origins drew a nonsensical connection between child-Natasha and its own developing master villain. Captain America #27 drew a connection between Natasha its own developing protagonist. A connection, which, by the way, isn’t used to make Natasha more competent in combat, but the opposite: Bucky explains that since he trained Natasha, he can beat her. And nowhere else, really, is her early-days training with Wolverine and Winter Soldier namedropped to make her more formidable.
Other writers took the immortality retcon and made it say something about Natasha, used it to make her past more of a monster. I like the immortality retcon because it expands on her basic themes— the cost of survival, the monstrous past— and drives them up to eleven. It paints them in comic book colors. And I like it because I know, in spite of timeline vagaries, that Black Widow really was the product of the Cold War, that she has been around for fifty years. Ageless.
The movies are another beast, though, with more defined and shorter timelines. Everyone is a rookie, compared to their comic book counterparts. Captain America fought the war for two years, not four, and is still fresh out of the ice. Nick Fury got removed from the Howling Commandos entirely, probably to make timelines more coherent. It makes sense they’d do the same with Black Widow, who is still likely the most experienced member of the Avengers, who was working SHIELD for however long before Iron Man came to their attention, who was working elsewhere however long before that.
Adaptation is a tricky business, and as a comic fan you have to stomach choices being made to cut out your favorite scenes, and sometimes your favorite characters. (Wasp!!) Sometimes it turns out for the best, sometimes it turns out like the Daredevil movie. But the execution matters just as much as the choices themselves. How they characterize Natasha, how they let her navigate her past, that matters more to me than when they set her birthday.
"black widow is a supporting character" your spine is a supporting structure in your body let’s see how well you do without it
#give me a carol danvers movie #like fuckin yeah black widow’s legit but i want a female SUPERHERO #Black Widow’s cool but does not have super powers #where’s my female WITH superpowers??why is it a competition why can’t we I don’t know HAVE FUCKING BOTH. Why do we have to pick and choose which ones we want to see oh wait that’s right we shouldn’t and we shouldn’t have to. There should be a Black Widow movie there should be a Captain Marvel movie there should be a Sif movie or a Valkyrie movie or both at once even there should be Kate Bishop and Anya Sofia Corazon movie and a Daughters of the Dragon movie and an America Chavez movie THESE SHOULD ALL EXIST NOT AT THE COST OF ONE ANOTHER BUT IN CELEBRATION WITH ONE ANOTHER GO FUCK YOURSELF.
I wasn’t going to talk about this, because wars of fandom opinion travel real fast to real boring places. “I don’t like this character, this character boring, make movies of some other character” is apparently an important enough thought for some people to tag, but not really important enough for me to remark upon. So I wasn’t going to talk about this. But then:A Black Widow movie would be boring. No offense to her fans, but she is a pretty boring character. If they made an X-23 movie, Storm movie, better Elektra movie, or Ms. Marvel movie I’d be totally on board. The only reason people want a Black Widow movie is because they have an unhealthy obsession with The Avengers film and don’t take the time to actually learn about other female Marvel characters. In a way, that’s pretty sexist and close minded. Educate yourselves before attacking others.
There is so much wrong with this quote, dude who I’m letting remain nameless, and so much I could say to unwind it. Because I talk a lot about comics and I’ve been doing it since before the Avengers film came out and what I find interesting about Natasha isn’t the red hair or Winter Soldier trailer. It’s the fifty years of liberation metaphor, the doom and death and the depth, the way comic books stretched a very simple, very sixties concept into something complicated and heroic and ongoing. I like that she’s a patriot hero who left her country, I like that she’s a woman hero with no easy male counterpart, I like that she thinks as much as she punches and quotes Tolstoy and once wore a bouffant hairdo with matching B and W earrings.
I get that some people are drawn to big-time powers and space and strength, but that’s never been my personal taste. For some reason though people don’t tell me I’m doing things wrong when I dream about a Daredevil movie, even though he had one once and it was not very good. No one tells me I’m wrong to be excited for the Winter Soldier movie, that if I was a real fan I’d be pulling for Baron Zemo to be the bad guy instead, or the John Walker plotline, or that I’m sexist for not thinking about the Femizons.
And I get this other big secret: that being a pretty huge Black Widow fan doesn’t mean I’m trying to get a Wonder Woman movie unmade, that I don’t collect She-Hulk and, that I’m not super psyched about Kamala Khan and that I don’t wax rhapsodic about Karla Sofen. I have an old fondness for Angela del Toro, I believe deeply that Maya Lopez deserved better, I wish more people knew why Monica Rambeau quit leading the Avengers. I could sing to you the many origins of Spider-woman, and think Janet Van Dyne is the best leader the Avengers ever had. I could get you educated.
But I don’t need to justify myself to a dude who can’t even remember Carol Danvers’s codename. That isn’t important. What is important is this: if you like Black Widow because you saw a billion dollar movie that a lot of people saw, then that’s great. It’s fantastic. You’re allowed. I, someone who has read basically every Black Widow comic ever published, give you permission. But you never needed it.
You don’t need me to tell you she’s interesting or this guy to tell you she’s not, you have the tools to figure out what you like for yourself. I hope I can tell you about comics, because I love them, and I’d love to be able to introduce you to so many cool characters that will probably never see a cinematic adaptation— but if that’s not your deal then that’s okay too. It’s not strange or unhealthy to envision sequels to superhero films based on the content of the films themselves, and not the contents of 1980s back issues. You are not being closeminded to champion the most visible superhero woman in the MCU so far as a possible lead for the first superhero woman film in the MCU so far. If Kevin Feige says a Black Widow movie “would be great”, you can agree with him. And you can even want a Captain Marvel movie at the same time. You are just a fan, like me, like basically everyone on tumblr, that’s all, and that’s wonderful.
I had a brain fart today. Though I’m pretty sure someone else has thought and done something a lot better about it.
you know what you’re right i don’t want a black widow movie
i want a whole god damn trilogy
a merch line all for her, a set of action figures all for her in different outfits with different toys and accessories
i want her to have her own television spinoff all about her and her adventures
i want her to have her own cool costume for little girls in the disney store
i want her to have everything the male heroes get and then some
natasha romanov’s short hair: an appreciation post
Black Widow Project, concept arts II. Belongs to a-floating-submariner.
Following piece of this
Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige said a thing. A thing abouta Black Widow movie. Put your skepticism caps on, we’re going for a ride.
This is a good dose of reality to counter all those click-baity “Black Widow film in development!” headlines. It’s encouraging to me that Feige is still talking about this. It’s extra-sprinkles encouraging that he’s talking about it in terms of the future of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as a natural consequence of a large role in Avengers 2, and not just as a vague, placating response to demands for a Black Widow film, or the “When will we get a Marvel film about a superheroine?” question.
It’s not, however, Kevin Feige committing to a Black Widow movie. So if it matters to you, don’t stop demanding and don’t stop asking that question.
Natasha Romanoff - Black Widow
I can't let you in. I'm sorry.
That's one mistake I won't make twice.
Liho (Russian: Лихо) is an embodiment of evil fate and misfortune in Slavic mythology.
galentine’s day gift for aethyrr!!!!! it’s not midnight where i am but i’m so excited i can’t wait hahaha IT’S V-DAY SOMEWHERE
i hope you like it!!! (my main blog is notdaredevil)
YEAH YEAH YEAHH WOOOOO
i wanted to see black widow with a side shave
Wish Black Widow a happy 50th birthday and take a peek into her dark past: http://bit.ly/1dnySTE
This seems like an excellent time to remind Marvel that the traditional 50th birthday gift is a solo movie.